Jaz Rasool(17:22:07): We'll start in about 1hour
khamfai(17:25:11): is there a way to watch this later? I'm from Bangkok and it's too late to stay up.
Adam Moloney(17:25:50): That's a good point. Is anyone gonna be recording this?
Alaena(17:30:41): Yes I'll be recording
Adam Moloney(17:30:51): Coolies. :)
Free Account(17:34:34): nice one alaena ;)
khamfai(17:35:04): Great! Thanks a lot! I'll check on the meetup page how to access it later. Enjoy the webinar :) 
Adam Moloney(17:46:04): Welcome Peter :) Peter Joseph(17:46:13): format problems 
Peter Joseph(17:46:20): txt is wong Peter Joseph(17:46:28): hi adam 
Peter Joseph(17:46:36): Jaz?
Gage Gritzman(17:49:52): Hey Peter XD
Bakari Pace(18:43:26): Does Peter's contribution today suggest a larger endorsement by the Zeitgeist Movement for the Global Summit's 7 stages?
Jaz Rasool(18:43:55): Peter will discuss that shortly 
Melanie St.James(18:54:05): Demographic shift is a huge part of mal-alignment... how can we shift into harmony?
Melanie St.James(18:54:54): Our instincts tell us to have more kids as that makes us feel secture-- when, given our physical / environmental reality, we need to do the oppossite 
Melanie St.James(18:55:47): i.e. evolution requires we source/ create feeling of sustainability....looking forward to your thoughts!
pieca cake(18:55:53): last thing i want is children... 
pieca cake(18:56:21): plenty who arent wanted who need homes 
Bakari Pace(18:57:25): I think there's a board range of interpretation in terms of the necessity to raise children. Broad strokes aren't the best way to approach this fine issue.
Bakari Pace(18:57:52): raise = have = 
Melanie St.James(18:58:20): Agreed...it all depends on what = security for each culture...
Jaz Rasool(18:58:27): The broader the strokes are, the less important individual rights and freedoms become.
Melanie St.James(18:59:11): only need to understand what is driving us
joe(19:00:40): a laptop because t "w" key broke off. 
Andrés(19:00:49): Hi from Ecuador
Jaz Rasool(19:01:06): Are some governments planning obsolescence for certain nations, ideas or ethnic groups or classes?
Melanie St.James(19:01:09): Bienvenido!
Melanie St.James(19:01:44): Obsolescence?
joe(19:02:17): I had to buy a whole new keyboard because the plastic "w" key broke off. 
Victor(19:02:33): yeah, obsolescence of educated people 
Melanie St.James(19:02:41): "market economy" at "w"ork 
Jaz Rasool(19:02:43): Wipe out freedoms in the guise of protection against terrorists.
pieca cake(19:03:06): double ty
pieca cake(19:03:09): you
pieca cake(19:03:14): double you
pieca cake(19:03:18): :)
Bakari Pace(19:03:51): Check out the website, Center for Steady State Economy 
Bakari Pace(19:03:56): CASSE Jaz Rasool(19:03:58): Forgive the odd freeze in sound/video.
Jaz Rasool(19:05:11): CASSE, http://steadystate.org/ 
Jaz Rasool(19:09:58): Worth reading content by Richard Wilkinson. Kate Pickett?
joe(19:11:04): never heard of either but it seems Richard has a TED talk on youtube
Colin(19:11:05): The Spirit level is the book referred to 
Adam Moloney(19:12:12): Thankyou Peter :) 
Bakari Pace(19:12:33): I may be getting Dr. Pickett of the Spirit Level on the TZM Global Radio Show
bamos(19:12:48): Is that slideshow available online ?
pieca cake(19:13:09): yes please both power points
Andrés(19:13:41): agreed ppt!
Jaz Rasool(19:14:04): PPT will be avilable via link. Francis will send out.
pieca cake(19:14:19): nice one :)
pieca cake(19:14:34): sound is really glitchy
Victor(19:14:45): Sorry for the question but will this conference be available so we can download it?
Jaz Rasool(19:14:54): I know.. Yes Victor 
Melanie St.James(19:14:55): We will also post them in PDF here.. stay tuned:
http://www.theglobalsummit.org/webinars/
Melanie St.James(19:15:10): for all 4 today thru The Global Summit 2012 -
Victor(19:15:16): Thank you very much
pieca cake(19:15:36): im a newly qualified teacher... how can i incorporate this kind of information into my teaching? adult education 
Bob C(19:16:00): Surely the point of the "corporation" is that it allows to groups of people to negotiate and trade more effectively than the individual acting alone pieca cake(19:16:02): digital media arts is my subject 
Melanie St.James(19:16:44): for education framework ideas/ collaboration, would love to discuss, melanie@empowermentworks.org 
judy abraham(19:17:10): The way forward really is for likeminded people to come together and show by example. Trying to convince people to change by talking will not work, in my opinion.
Jaz Rasool(19:18:03): Corporation v Community? Which is more empowering?
Beata(19:19:18): which acient community?
pieca cake(19:19:25): hi melanie, have saved your email :) 
Bakari Pace(19:19:26): Can you describe how we apply system theory and it's connection to natural resource management in this new economy? 
Grant(19:20:39): Jaz - Please submit to Peter this Q. Many groups understand what the problems are. What matters now, is what are WE ALL prepared to do about it! Is TZM prepared to work in partnership with other humanitarian groups to address these problems together? One united voice will be able to make the required difference.
Melanie St.James(19:20:57): Amen Grant!
Melanie St.James(19:21:05): Let's unite the movements!
Colin(19:21:13): For education - see http://www.tzmeducation.org/ 
Melanie St.James(19:21:22): we need to create a new status quo with new metrics 
Bob C(19:21:38): Is part of the problem that the "corporation" is viewed as an "individual" in law so can sue and be sued. This allows the people at the top of the corporation to avoid responsibility for "bad" behaviour by the corporation 
Melanie St.James(19:21:39): AND NEW TRANSPARENT STANDARDS 
Melanie St.James(19:21:54): Where we all have a voice
lesley richards(19:21:56): How realistic is it to change the paradigm in today’s World. Fidel Castro tried to go against the “capitalist model”
i.e. even distribution of wealth in a country with limited resources th community modelthat you are taking about, and he was marginalized, ostracized and pigeon holed as a communist
Colin(19:22:31): How realistic is it to carry on as we are?
Melanie St.James(19:23:11): we'll go over the cliff if we do not change 
pieca cake(19:23:52): Paulo Freire Pedagogy of the Oppressed :) 
Free Account(19:25:58): Do you see permaculture/gardening on people's own land as a great transitional thing?
Free Account(19:26:05): Since it requires minimal to no cost and it can produce food for free. People could even consume like normal and have the permaculture waiting in the background.
Jaz Rasool(19:26:22): Lesley, changing the Paradigm involves changing the Truth people hear, believe and act on. Its going on. Change in that order changes the Paradigm.
Bob C(19:28:00): You need to make "someone" and not a corporation responsible for environmental damage ... remove the ability to hide behind the corporate "individual" protection. 
Colin(19:29:53): Responsible to whom, Bob?
Bob C(19:30:47): To the courts ... at present it is the company that is sued and not the people in charge who promoted the bad practices 
lesley richards(19:32:08): I am just skeptical about changing people’s mindset on a large scale that can make a concerted impact;; for example look at the wars today in the name of religion, oil, wealth and power 
pieca cake(19:32:27): learning = change
Beata(19:32:33): I'm sorry, I have to leave. Thank you for the webinar 
Jaz Rasool(19:32:44): Thank you Beata
Colin(19:32:58): @lesley - how do we know if we don't try
joe(19:33:03): try to look at the causation of why a person would want to damage the enviroment in the first place Bob. How is a court going to change the actual reasoning behind that?
Colin(19:35:42): >1 mic on!
Bakari Pace(19:35:45): Everything you're saying right now is distorted 
Jaz Rasool(19:35:48): Even the banks are having to point to individuals to resign. Bob Diamond of Barclays being an example. Paradigms and accountability are shifting.
pieca cake(19:35:53): we are in the age of manifestation... if you can think it it can happen 
Bakari Pace(19:35:54): Mic is really off 
Bob C(19:36:20): It's not really the person who "wants" to cause damage ...
but they are caught in a system where they have no personal responsibility for delivering actions that make profits for whoever owns the corporation. 
Melanie St.James(19:36:31): New business structures for new world are one big solution 
Melanie St.James(19:36:42): then need to make them the new status quo 
Melanie St.James(19:36:57): and put valuing local resouces VALUED
Colin(19:37:12): @Melanie - Yes - are you familiar with nacap.org - Natural Capitalism?
Colin(19:37:24): natcap.org
Melanie St.James(19:37:40): yes, co-author was founding keynote in 2008 
Melanie St.James(19:37:52): Hunter Lovins!
Colin(19:38:38): I think U govt is taking some narcap ideeas on board
Colin(19:38:41): IK
Colin(19:38:46): UK
Bakari Pace(19:40:49): Temporal solution 
Bakari Pace(19:41:00): Time to move past monetary solutions 
Jaz Rasool(19:41:23): Forgive the freezing 
Bakari Pace(19:41:44): The private property, profit motive, are both foundational aspects of capitalism 
Bakari Pace(19:41:57): Neither are relevant in a post-scarcity world.
pieca cake(19:42:41): phaps i think with my heart ? ;)
cliff(19:43:20): to change business structures for a new world order may require a shift of mindset equivalent to the mindset required for a Natural law economy.
pieca cake(19:44:41): damn... i be abroad for that one :( 
rob hayward(19:45:03): Long question/suggestion: I love the idea of a drive to unite the social organisations of the world through the Global Summit as I think there is huge potential to get large numbers of people on the same page. I would personally like to see everyone together under the Zeitgeist banner; however, in a monetary system other organisations would feel far too threatened to promote a “rival” organisation. What do you think of a new label that costs nothing to use and expressly represents no single organisation and is not an organisation in and of itself (and never will be)? This label could be used by all organisations to represent that, whilst they continue to address the immediate concerns relevant to their own organisation, they also see a “bigger picture”. Similar to how “fairtrade” is used on multiple brands. Eg. Greenpeace is a “bigger picture” organisation, Save the Children is a “bigger picture”
organisation. Sorry, very long! Many thanks.
Melanie St.James(19:45:10): Also July 26th, Build a team around your ideal
future: http://www.theglobalsummit.org/webinars/
Grant(19:45:23): Mel/Jaz - Having major connection issues - Q for Peter - He mentioned on a Russian Tv interview recently that he wanted to see a global grassroots movement rise up to address the global problems. TEAMhumanity.com have a plan. Could he please check it out? Thanks 
Melanie St.James(19:45:28): Next in Pre-Summit webinare series 
Melanie St.James(19:46:09): yes, we've become numb 
Bakari Pace(19:46:38): There are very little financially sustainable ways to care.
Melanie St.James(19:46:56): multi-sector collaboration, without $ 
Melanie St.James(19:47:08): that is why we need to get this paradigm and process out there 
Bakari Pace(19:47:19): But it's not immediately accessible 
Melanie St.James(19:47:23): we need to build resilent system where everyone can engage!
Melanie St.James(19:47:25): yes it is!
Melanie St.James(19:47:37): its direct community action 
Bakari Pace(19:47:54): On top of that, there are very few socially respected sustainable ways to care.
Melanie St.James(19:48:03):
http://www.theglobalsummit.org/7-stages-to-sustainability/
TZMMARK(19:48:07): Yes Grant, TEAMhumanity are pushing the action angle - this seems an angle that TZM don't work hard enough. Integration with positive action. 
Bakari Pace(19:48:21): Peer pressure impedes 
Melanie St.James(19:48:25): every group brings their genius 
Bakari Pace(19:48:33): No one wants to be fringe, intentionally.
Bakari Pace(19:49:38): The western apathy is driven by that lack of financial support and dubious social respect coming from advocacy.
worldmind(19:50:25): Did I make it? or is this a recording?
Bakari Pace(19:50:34): Plenty of guys outside my door right now, with signs and wanting change. They sleep on the streets, and yell at people who walk past them about how things need to change. 
TZMMARK(19:50:50): Thanks all
Bakari Pace(19:50:54): I will. Good convo!
Melanie St.James(19:51:00): Please join us next week!
http://www.theglobalsummit.org/webinars/
Free Account(19:51:06): Hey Peter, do you advocate permaculture as an important part of the transitional phase? At least on an individual scale and/or on a mass scale/open source level judy abraham(19:51:06): Thank you really good.
Peter Joseph(19:51:09): thanks everyone!
Free Account(19:51:17): thankyou
Bob C(19:51:21): Thanks
pieca cake(19:51:22): nce one guys :) xxx
worldmind(19:51:28): caught the last few seconds... lol 
Free Account(19:52:12): does any1 advocate permaculture as an important part of the transitional phase? At least on an individual scale and/or on a mass scale/open source level Bakari Pace(19:52:19): Can someone address: The western apathy is driven by that lack of financial support and dubious social respect coming from advocacy.
rob hayward(19:52:25): Long question/suggestion: I love the idea of a drive to unite the social organisations of the world through the Global Summit as I think there is huge potential to get large numbers of people on the same page. I would personally like to see everyone together under the Zeitgeist banner; however, in a monetary system other organisations would feel far too threatened to promote a “rival” organisation. What do you think of a new label that costs nothing to use and expressly represents no single organisation and is not an organisation in and of itself (and never will be)? This label could be used by all organisations to represent that, whilst they continue to address the immediate concerns relevant to their own organisation, they also see a “bigger picture”. Similar to how “fairtrade” is used on multiple brands. Eg. Greenpeace is a “bigger picture” organisation, Save the Children is a “bigger picture”
organisation. Sorry, very long! Many thanks.
lesley richards(19:52:51): How does Darwnism fit ino his paradigm? It is intrinsic for huans to wan to suvivie, even if t is at the expense of others
cliff(19:53:03): good question Rob
lesley richards(19:53:29): oops humans want to survve"
Jaz Rasool(19:53:40): Good points Rob. Social Enterprises need to be accountable first and serve the right difference. 
Free Account(19:53:48): permaculture is all about sustainability 
lesley richards(19:53:50): "survive"
pieca cake(19:53:55): im a newly qualified teacher... how can i incorporate this kind of information into my teaching? adult education 
Free Account(19:54:10): ty
Colin(19:54:12): We can each survive better if we co-operate / collaborate.
Colin(19:55:06): @pieca: see tzmeducation.org
worldmind(19:55:34): The individual is always at the mercy of the social dynamics, and has no chance to survive is the social dynamics are insane.
Sustainablity will require massive numbers of people to undersand that and to know the alternatives. So talking about it is the only real choice we have.
Bob C(19:55:50): Sometime its not the producer who is at fault ... as in dairy farming at present the major buyers are forcing the dairy industry towards damaging industrial methods by making small scale production uneconomic
worldmind(19:56:33): That is the result of the priorities of the profit system, Bob. that is the insanity of the system.
Melanie St.James(19:57:07): we are more interested in incorporating locally-led education/ and also courses of groups like Zeitgeist in 7 Stages, not our own, but this is meant to be a framework, and we have it as a curriclum for community development http://empowermentworks.org/community-development-education_1.html
pieca cake(19:57:25): :)
pieca cake(19:58:41): we are trained like monkeys, its called bahviourism 
Melanie St.James(19:59:10): tzmeducation.org?
Colin(19:59:12): tzmeducation.org
pieca cake(19:59:45): wicked, ta :)
worldmind(20:00:18): link, Melanie?
worldmind(20:00:43): ty
Enfedes(20:00:44): thanks for hosting it!
Bob C(20:00:56): ty
Colin(20:01:28): Thanks all. Bye.
Melanie St.James(20:01:32): http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/ 
Melanie St.James(20:01:37): has chapter guide Melanie St.James(20:01:41): brilliant 
Jaz Rasool(20:01:49): Thanks everyone. Link to the Recording and transcript of text chat will be emailed shortly.
Adam Moloney(20:02:24): Thankyou again guys :) Bob C(20:02:34): Got to go now ... bye 
judy abraham(20:02:38): thank you, very inspirational. makes me realise i'm not alone.
Melanie St.James(20:03:04): we will use it to invite ppl to host Local Councils to participate in The Global Summit 2012 http://www.theglobalsummit.org/local-summits/
Free Account(20:03:07): Will it be uploading on the TZMOfficialChannel youtube channel?
Free Account(20:06:19): are you on facebook mel? or is there a facebook page for theglobalsummit?
Melanie St.James(20:06:54): The Global Summit 2012August 15-17, London, GBwww.theglobalsummit.orgwww.empowermentworks.org Support The Global Summit
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Melanie St.James(20:07:28): https://twitter.com/theglobalsummit
Melanie St.James(20:07:45): Let's unite ourselves and our movements!
Melanie St.James(20:08:16): Judy, you are SO not alone!!
pieca cake(20:08:34): be safe during the olympics everyone... get out of the UK :) 
pieca cake(20:08:41): see ya. xxx 
Melanie St.James(20:11:51): sure, but then please come back for The Global Summit http://www.theglobalsummit.org/ Aug 15-17, 2012 :) 
Melanie St.James(20:12:30): 3 Billion people tune into Olympics-- this an opportunity to harness masses for good :) 
Jaz Rasool(20:13:23): Closing in 15mins Free Account(20:13:27): is any1 else having trouble "converting" their friends to this direction?
Free Account(20:14:06): i find it so hard. maybe im not a good communicater though 
Jaz Rasool(20:15:16): I've written social networking software that matches people up by intent, so hopefully finding others that support and stretch us as well as help us reflect will be less of an issue. Its being tested out with participants in 4 major 'summits' this year.
Free Account(20:19:16): wow nice.
Jaz Rasool(20:19:40): socialvitamins.co.uk 
Free Account(20:19:52): thx ill check it out 
Free Account(20:20:57): clever name lol 
Free Account(20:21:42): is it free to use?
Jaz Rasool(20:53:56): Yes, basic service is free to use