David(19:13:43): Good evening everyone, glad I could make it.
Steve Dale(19:15:51): seems to me there is still a lot of 'Old School'
behaviours out there.
Benjamin Ellis(19:16:36): Lots Steve - lots!
Steve Dale(19:19:18): Presumably Web 3.0 = Semamtic Web?
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(19:19:51): It's more a movement towards Steve Dale(19:19:52): That should be 'Semantic" :-(
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(19:22:45): No
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(19:22:54): now Robin Chandler(19:23:01): Yes.
David(19:23:08): yep
Antoaneta Yotova(19:23:08): yes
Pete(19:23:42): is Ben's pressy going ino the media library?
David(19:25:06): benjaminellis.org
Steve Dale(19:25:26): Benjamin - you don't look that old!
Robin Chandler(19:26:05): steering wheel?
Jaz Rasool(19:25:22): Spyrograph?
David(19:26:27): pie shaper
Steve Dale(19:26:30): Something to do with contraception?
Robin Chandler(19:26:31): bike tire
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(19:26:45): cake shae
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(19:27:42): shape Jaz Rasool(19:28:59): Yes I can see
Pete(19:30:46): I'm getting big words in boxes, but with "this image cannot currently be displayed. Java error?
Jaz Rasool(19:30:23): Can you see 'tool' and 'media' words? Thats ok.
Pete(19:31:26): Yes!
Pete(19:36:41): They do if money is data!
Jaz Rasool(19:36:54): Margeret, enter something into chat if you have a question or point.
Pete(19:38:04): Manageable small group 7 bods!
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(19:39:01): a mistake!
Jaz Rasool(19:38:35): :-)
Sharna(19:39:56): How do we meaningfully analyse the data and views of others
Sharna(19:40:03): ??
Jaz Rasool(19:39:44): This is what resonance driven technologies are allowing us to see.
Sharna(19:41:05): can you give examples of such technologies so I can research them?
Jaz Rasool(19:40:57): I'll include these in the links after the event.
Sharna(19:42:02): cool thanks
Pete(19:42:55): I found this via Linkedin!
Pete(19:44:13): Similar to edipemic and immunity studies Jaz Rasool(19:44:09): http://www.google.com/+/learnmore/
Jaz Rasool(19:45:10): http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/ Robin Chandler(19:47:22): Like Fb displays 'mutual friends?
Jaz Rasool(19:47:01): yes, if they all went to the same school/place of work..
Pete(19:47:58): Does this risk ghettos of linkage?
David(19:48:04): Great thinking Benj! I like it.
Robin Chandler(19:48:37): There are wider 'circles' than school/work.
Jaz Rasool(19:47:57): 'Ghettos of Linkage' - yes, especially between people who share no resonance even if they share relevance.
Robin Chandler(19:48:57): Yes.
Steve Dale(19:49:45): If I accept a connection with someone I don't know on LinkedIn they usual;ly end up trying to sell me something! 
Pete(19:49:58): True!
Jaz Rasool(19:49:20): Yes focus on relevance without any deeper relationship/respect.
David(19:50:14): Is there a business context to connecting the people further away?
Robin Chandler(19:50:50): LinkedIn seems exclusively work/employment-related; a self-service eployment tool.
Jaz Rasool(19:50:21): Yes David, Builds resonance within the community of customers.
Pete(19:51:24): Open Source paradigm!
David(19:51:29): Thank you
Jaz Rasool(19:50:57): Builds Brand loyalty and pools of good will -factors that gave business value.
David(19:52:48): Great thinking
Jason(19:56:59): I am interested in collaboration networks that are trying to positively transform society through collab. Is there examples of them we can refer to rather than Linkedin?
Pete(19:57:00): Modified Consensus Model?
Jaz Rasool(19:57:15): Jason, http://thepeoplewhoshare.com/ is an example
Jason(19:59:00): cheers Jaz, will check it out.
Robin Chandler(19:59:27): To Jason-Ushahidi platform-maps/forecasts civil conflict/unrest.
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(19:59:38): focus is vital!
Jaz Rasool(19:59:13): Robin, Will discuss GlobalNet21's efforts and projects to do this during Social Media Week, Sept 24th- Robin Chandler(20:00:13): Cool.
Jaz Rasool(20:00:09): Open Space approach uses agenda free starts to meetings.
Jason(20:02:13): Cheers Robin
Jaz Rasool(20:03:34): Aaaa,,
Jaz Rasool(20:07:15): If you've heard anything of note. Twiiter it at our hub http://twubs.com/collab21 , Hashtag #collab21 Jaz Rasool(20:08:02): Share it after this event and lets get us 'trending'
on this 'trusting' conversation.
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:10:35): Yes shiftig to Twitter!!
Jaz Rasool(20:11:42): Collaboration is not about creating reaction, responses or relationships but chain-reactions, chain-responses and chain-relationships.
Pete(20:13:04): Good comment Jaz!
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:13:31): yes Benjamin Ellis(20:14:43): Don't be shy! Ask away!
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:17:28): People say many things Mother Tersain response to someone whosaid that wha she was doing had not much vlue
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:18:03): value
Pete(20:18:55): Tried to connect to Ben on linkedin, 3rd degree separation, won't let me without an email!
Jason(20:19:21): When I look at my Facebook account I feel very disappointed on the content that is being shared. Benjamin how big do you feel tha appetite is for using social networking & collaboration to share knowledge that can really empower the citizens in the uk?
Jason(20:20:15): For example RSA Animates and TED talks.
Pete(20:20:24): I think this stuff goes to agalmic economics, after Charles Stross "Accellerando" model the value ONLY exists when it's shared?
Pete(20:23:12): Some good work on using anonymised IRC for meetings; lets more voices get heard, removes hidden communications.
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:23:24): I find some comments onyahoo terrible when people think they are anonymous
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:24:46): yes
Pete(20:25:03): True Jaz, but we can build alt. identities!
Sharna(20:25:50): 54% of peole in the UK want stronger laws and safeguards to protect peoples data
Pete(20:26:36): Prince Harry!
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:27:05): yes!!!
Robin Chandler(20:28:25): Yet..there's normalization and the normalization of deviance.
Jaz Rasool(20:28:37): Too many alternate identities has led to the condition of what I call 'Internet Schizophrenia' ,, It can cause stress and reduce trust. Which identity can be trusted?
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:29:37): We need variety in conversaton altho it is not alwayseasy Jaz Rasool(20:29:22): two feet or one click?
Pete(20:32:06): I'm really keen to break out of shared conceptual ghettos in community dev, and engagement - looking for any tools that can reach beyond "the usual suspects"
Jaz Rasool(20:32:44): Not just Similar, but Opposite and a Mix of connections. A good gene pool to prevent social netwoking that results in subject/conversation 'in breeding' or filtered, controlled views
Pete(20:35:09): Yes!
Robin Chandler(20:35:15): Ah,,,diversity, hybridity..
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:36:21): True human growth needs congruency
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:36:58): Thanks for a very clear presentati Be
margarita.foley@btinternet.com(20:37:07): Ben
Sharna(20:37:41): Thx
Pete(20:37:44): Cheers guys! Share and enjoy!
Robin Chandler(20:37:49): Thank you all
David(20:37:53): Thank you
Benjamin Ellis(20:38:02): Thank you! http://benjaminellis.org/ Say hi!
Pete(20:39:00): I can hear a beer calling me, lots to grok.
Robin Chandler(20:39:07): A question about how you think 24/7 access via social media has altered human communication?
Pete(20:40:14): Ghetto linkages is groups with lots of internally common links and few outside, also goes to filtered or mediated searches or hints from AI systems
Sharna(20:41:11): Im still interested in the sentimentality analysis or resonance technologies etc- this is a growing sector, but I cant get good info on it. If you can point me in the right direction that would be great Jaz Rasool(20:42:18): Will Do Sharna. Check out..
https://www.facebook.com/events/330670367027831/
Mike(20:46:18): I have a question to Benjamin. Let say I have an idea for the social network which could become highly sucesful. I would like to get some advice on investors, what sort of invsestors I should look for and at what stage of the project? What sort of investment types are available and etc. 
Pete(20:48:37): Hence my earlier linkedin comment !
Robin Chandler(20:48:56): Exactly.
Pete(20:51:52): Are our devices themselves mediating how we interact - pads are pure consumption devices!
Jason(20:52:02): Question: I believe social media and collab can reform society, I am trying to influence social org's in Lambeth to collaborate together, but what you find is that their is a very old mentality of preserving their network to themselves (self preservation?), rather than collaborating with similar organisation and creating a larger more effective network that will most likely be mutually benefical. Do you have any resources I can refer to that explains the benefits of collaboration that is short and clear? Maybe a under 5 min video presentation?
Jaz Rasool(20:51:15): Keep some activities purely human or without technology.
Pete(20:52:31): Hear hear!
Pete(20:54:12): What do we think of Diaspora?
Jaz Rasool(20:53:34): Yes Jason, Same problem in Haringey. Been involved in projects recently to get groups to overcome 'collaboration illiteracy'.
Jaz Rasool(20:54:24): I have a video, a few minutes long covering Collaboration Literacy.
Jason(20:55:34): How do we educate them quickly Jaz!
Jaz Rasool(20:54:45): email me on jaz@globalnet21.org for more details.
Jason(20:55:48): cool will do...
Robin Chandler(20:56:02): To Jaz;cn't access resilience project
Mike(20:56:17): yes, thank you
Benjamin Ellis(20:57:12): Jason - there's an issue of culture there, but can definitely give you some pointers.
David(20:58:37): Tessalation
Jason(20:58:45): Cheers Benjamin, I will drop you an email.
Jason(21:00:41): EXACTLY!!
Jaz Rasool(21:00:32): Robin, email me and I'll keep you updated jaz@globalnet21.org Robin Chandler(21:02:04): Tx Jaz, just joined RE.
Jaz Rasool(21:01:25): Great, Robin
Robin Chandler(21:02:43): Collaboration literacy' requires new 'language' , consultation, and 'mediation' skills.
Jaz Rasool(21:02:14): Competitive Collaboration is not Collaboration.
Robin Chandler(21:03:20): Precisely
Jason(21:04:05): its about working towards a shared vision..
Benjamin Ellis(21:04:37): Agree, Jason. Shared values are key for sucessful collaboration Benjamin Ellis(21:04:51): although shared values can result in very different personalities - which is good and fun!
Robin Chandler(21:05:22): ...and a willingness to grow..
Benjamin Ellis(21:05:29): and to work together!
David(21:05:35): Sounds like selling the vision to interested parties needs to happen first, for an agreement that it is desirable Robin Chandler(21:05:36): yup
Pete(21:07:26): Good work on values from Common Cause project Peter C(21:07:35): recruit for attitude not aptitude Benjamin Ellis(21:07:46): Got a link to that Peter, sounds good.
Jason(21:08:05): I am working on a collaboration platform for like minded socially progressive people. I created a 2 minute info graphic and would appreciate peoples opinions on it before I launch.. Let me know if you would like to be interested is well as I am all about collaboration.
www.unorthodoxmedia.co.uk.. Cheers Jason Peter C(21:08:11): No just been around a long time Robin Chandler(21:08:32): Relates to the way the 'professions' have been socialized an trained.
Jason(21:09:26): *intersted = involved
Jason(21:10:40): I like that.... Like hearted!!
Benjamin Ellis(21:12:31): Thank you Jason - I'll take a look - have a play with http://milestoneplanner.com/ - if that can help you on your journey.
Jason(21:14:02): Thank you Benjamin and Jaz.. This is collaboration 2012 style... really impressed!
Robin Chandler(21:14:07): Tx
Mike(21:14:11): thank you guys
Pete(21:14:15): TA!
Benjamin Ellis(21:15:03): Thank you Mike!
Jaz Rasool(21:14:29): I'll return about 9.30 and give a 5minute warning before shutting down. Thanks everyone and Benjamin.
David(21:15:46): Thank you both, I'm glad I came.
Benjamin Ellis(21:15:57): Pete - have a look at app.net - will be interesting to see if that takes Diaspora's space.
Pete(21:17:35): What can you tell us about this software, there was a dire threat on the splash screen! It all runs fine on my Suse netbook on a very limited rural BT line. I am used to using etherpad for group work on projects and documents and some of its features are also here, but not the video and sound.
Benjamin Ellis(21:18:52): Hi Pete - if you mean this platform, I'll defer to Jaz, as it's the first time I've used it.
Jason(21:22:27): Benjamin - do you follow the collaboration movement around social entreprenuership by any chance?
Pete(21:22:31): App.net - $50 bucks! NOT a challenge to diaspora! Anyone with Firefox can disable ads anyway, that is not the issue- selling user data and creating income from aggregation is Jaz Rasool(21:28:44): Closing in 5 minutes
Jason(21:29:58): Thanks again..
Jaz Rasool(21:32:33): 1 minute to go...
Benjamin Ellis(21:34:34): Good night all!
Jaz Rasool(21:34:23): I'll put a link up for the video and chat content shortly. Thanks Benjamin and all those who were in the webinar. End of Chat.